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		<title>By: Jeremy Towsey-French</title>
		<link>http://ourpdx.com/2008/06/sunday-parkways-just-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Towsey-French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice work mike and mona! some good pics of sunday parkways as well. i keep my mundo basically &#039;stock&#039; for test rides and such, so i envy your ride all the more. and the amsterdam looked awesome, mona. cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice work mike and mona! some good pics of sunday parkways as well. i keep my mundo basically &#8216;stock&#8217; for test rides and such, so i envy your ride all the more. and the amsterdam looked awesome, mona. cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Mona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes,  we had a lovely time :)  it was nice to see so many people on Dutch bikes like mine. I sometimes feel self conscious on it when there are so few around. The ride was so nice and comfortable that my daughter actually fell asleep in her bike seat :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes,  we had a lovely time <img src='http://ourpdx.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   it was nice to see so many people on Dutch bikes like mine. I sometimes feel self conscious on it when there are so few around. The ride was so nice and comfortable that my daughter actually fell asleep in her bike seat <img src='http://ourpdx.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tinymeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tinymeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our entire family rode the route including my recently modified Mundo! Wherever we stopped it drew a crowd and Gabriel and I enjoyed the attention from other families with small children asking us &quot;how does it work/ride&quot;.
Thanks Jeremy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our entire family rode the route including my recently modified Mundo! Wherever we stopped it drew a crowd and Gabriel and I enjoyed the attention from other families with small children asking us &#8220;how does it work/ride&#8221;.<br />
Thanks Jeremy</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://ourpdx.com/2008/06/sunday-parkways-just-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love stuff like this. I look forward to bringing the wife and kids out to one of these in the future.

How do neighborhoods get picked?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love stuff like this. I look forward to bringing the wife and kids out to one of these in the future.</p>
<p>How do neighborhoods get picked?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Towsey-French</title>
		<link>http://ourpdx.com/2008/06/sunday-parkways-just-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Towsey-French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great comments again, steve. i think you&#039;ve identified some very important issues, including:

1) the auto as necessity for working class who have been priced out of the city core
2) the perception of bicyclist as part of a bicycling community

i think the issue around the auto as a necessity is ripe for another post. i&#039;m digging into it now. for me personally, i couldn&#039;t afford to live in the city if i had a car payment. that was one of many reasons that we sold our car more than a year ago. taking money from the car meant having money for the mortgage. :)

as for the bike community, you&#039;ve tapped into something very interesting to me. motorists do not typically see themselves as part of the &#039;motoring community&#039; and i don&#039;t believe that bicycles should be any different. you see, that&#039;s my point as it originally related to some of the significant differences between the u.s. and our european partners. in my opinion, you shouldn&#039;t need to feel compelled to identify yourself by how you get from a to b. i do not identify myself as a cyclist, but rather a person who rides a bike. and i used to be one of those chaps that invested way to much in my campy groupo and spandex. :)

for a myriad of reasons, if you ride a bike in this town, many folks who don&#039;t ride see you as a cyclist -that is, part of a cycling community. i think the bike can exist as an equalizer if it is seen for what it really is: transportation. yes, it can be a bond as well (as with car clubs), but I believe those are effective secondary and tertiary identifiers. most folks who possess a car simply &#039;have a car&#039;; they don&#039;t start out desperately wanting to be part of the kia spectra owners car club. what they really want is a way to move their family around.  

i think the difference between perception of motoring versus cycling comes from two very important places: 

1) the dominance of the automobile (thanks in part to legislation and industry)
2) the bicycling industry&#039;s focus on sport

american cycling culture benefits from --and is harmed by-- the trickle down affect of bicycle racing and cycling as a hobby. i thank the racing industry for helping to make great bike technology available and eventually affordable. i dislike it for propelling the perception of cycling as mere hobby or sport. it has the potential to be so much more important to the future sustainability of our world.

as for china, they&#039;re experiencing a cycle that we already experienced. because of our early start, we&#039;re now the largest polluting nation on the planet as it relates to automotive emissions. china will top us once more of its citizens start driving down roads with even more lax emissions controls than our own. but we can&#039;t control that. what we can do is change our behavior and help turn the tide while other nations hopefully benefit from better technology than when america started its great automotive climate assault.

rich issues, steve... very rich. more fodder for future posts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great comments again, steve. i think you&#8217;ve identified some very important issues, including:</p>
<p>1) the auto as necessity for working class who have been priced out of the city core<br />
2) the perception of bicyclist as part of a bicycling community</p>
<p>i think the issue around the auto as a necessity is ripe for another post. i&#8217;m digging into it now. for me personally, i couldn&#8217;t afford to live in the city if i had a car payment. that was one of many reasons that we sold our car more than a year ago. taking money from the car meant having money for the mortgage. <img src='http://ourpdx.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>as for the bike community, you&#8217;ve tapped into something very interesting to me. motorists do not typically see themselves as part of the &#8216;motoring community&#8217; and i don&#8217;t believe that bicycles should be any different. you see, that&#8217;s my point as it originally related to some of the significant differences between the u.s. and our european partners. in my opinion, you shouldn&#8217;t need to feel compelled to identify yourself by how you get from a to b. i do not identify myself as a cyclist, but rather a person who rides a bike. and i used to be one of those chaps that invested way to much in my campy groupo and spandex. <img src='http://ourpdx.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>for a myriad of reasons, if you ride a bike in this town, many folks who don&#8217;t ride see you as a cyclist -that is, part of a cycling community. i think the bike can exist as an equalizer if it is seen for what it really is: transportation. yes, it can be a bond as well (as with car clubs), but I believe those are effective secondary and tertiary identifiers. most folks who possess a car simply &#8216;have a car&#8217;; they don&#8217;t start out desperately wanting to be part of the kia spectra owners car club. what they really want is a way to move their family around.  </p>
<p>i think the difference between perception of motoring versus cycling comes from two very important places: </p>
<p>1) the dominance of the automobile (thanks in part to legislation and industry)<br />
2) the bicycling industry&#8217;s focus on sport</p>
<p>american cycling culture benefits from &#8211;and is harmed by&#8211; the trickle down affect of bicycle racing and cycling as a hobby. i thank the racing industry for helping to make great bike technology available and eventually affordable. i dislike it for propelling the perception of cycling as mere hobby or sport. it has the potential to be so much more important to the future sustainability of our world.</p>
<p>as for china, they&#8217;re experiencing a cycle that we already experienced. because of our early start, we&#8217;re now the largest polluting nation on the planet as it relates to automotive emissions. china will top us once more of its citizens start driving down roads with even more lax emissions controls than our own. but we can&#8217;t control that. what we can do is change our behavior and help turn the tide while other nations hopefully benefit from better technology than when america started its great automotive climate assault.</p>
<p>rich issues, steve&#8230; very rich. more fodder for future posts!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The spandex set was in the extreme minority from what I saw. That was nice.

Still, the crowd was considerably whiter than many of the neighborhoods it moved through, which some neighbors found  unnerving.

It is a difficult concept to grasp, but it parallels what we see  on the international stage with China: Who are we, as (relatively) wealthy white people, to tell poor people of color they shouldn&#039;t have economic development or drive cars?

At the bottom of the economic rung, car ownership often means the difference between being able to hold a job and being chronically unemployed.

So we have a conundrum of trying to cut carbon emissions in ways that don&#039;t hold back the economic development of half the world&#039;s population.

I think bikes are a great way to do this, but try telling the man in China, who can finally afford a car, to get back on his bike.

Likewise in Portland, the bike community has a lot of work to reach out to non-white communities. To many of them, thousands of whites on bikes in their neighborhood doesn&#039;t augur a new day environmentally, it just looks like another sign of gentrification and their own marginalization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The spandex set was in the extreme minority from what I saw. That was nice.</p>
<p>Still, the crowd was considerably whiter than many of the neighborhoods it moved through, which some neighbors found  unnerving.</p>
<p>It is a difficult concept to grasp, but it parallels what we see  on the international stage with China: Who are we, as (relatively) wealthy white people, to tell poor people of color they shouldn&#8217;t have economic development or drive cars?</p>
<p>At the bottom of the economic rung, car ownership often means the difference between being able to hold a job and being chronically unemployed.</p>
<p>So we have a conundrum of trying to cut carbon emissions in ways that don&#8217;t hold back the economic development of half the world&#8217;s population.</p>
<p>I think bikes are a great way to do this, but try telling the man in China, who can finally afford a car, to get back on his bike.</p>
<p>Likewise in Portland, the bike community has a lot of work to reach out to non-white communities. To many of them, thousands of whites on bikes in their neighborhood doesn&#8217;t augur a new day environmentally, it just looks like another sign of gentrification and their own marginalization.</p>
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		<title>By: Tricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Portland took some big strides all week last week&amp;#8212and it sounds like Sunday Parkway was the crowning achievement (was bummed I could not make it). 

I was at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldcarfree.net/conference/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Toward Carfree Cities&lt;/a&gt; closing event on Friday night, and met people from all over the country who look to Portland as a model for urban planning when it comes to bike-ability. A big shout out to all the folks at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.carfreeportland.org/about/organizers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Carfree Portland&lt;/a&gt; who did an amazing job all week long and really represented our fair city well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Portland took some big strides all week last week&#8212and it sounds like Sunday Parkway was the crowning achievement (was bummed I could not make it). </p>
<p>I was at the <a href="http://www.worldcarfree.net/conference/" rel="nofollow">Toward Carfree Cities</a> closing event on Friday night, and met people from all over the country who look to Portland as a model for urban planning when it comes to bike-ability. A big shout out to all the folks at <a href="http://www.carfreeportland.org/about/organizers" rel="nofollow">Carfree Portland</a> who did an amazing job all week long and really represented our fair city well!</p>
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		<title>By: Peat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the best thing about the Sunday Parkways event is that it was a good show of how many different type of people ride and enjoy bicycling.

The most irritating aspect of Portland bike culture is the nuts who proclaim revolution and position cycling as a &quot;movement&quot; against [cause du jour].  They make the most noise and get the most press, which turns off a lot of people who would otherwise find bicycling to be an effective and enjoyable way to get around town.

Sunday Parkways was a great way to open the doors to those people.  It&#039;s really refreshing to see families, friends, the young and the old, rich and poor, hipsters, yuppies, and everyone in between rolling through the neighborhoods and hanging out in the parks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the best thing about the Sunday Parkways event is that it was a good show of how many different type of people ride and enjoy bicycling.</p>
<p>The most irritating aspect of Portland bike culture is the nuts who proclaim revolution and position cycling as a &#8220;movement&#8221; against [cause du jour].  They make the most noise and get the most press, which turns off a lot of people who would otherwise find bicycling to be an effective and enjoyable way to get around town.</p>
<p>Sunday Parkways was a great way to open the doors to those people.  It&#8217;s really refreshing to see families, friends, the young and the old, rich and poor, hipsters, yuppies, and everyone in between rolling through the neighborhoods and hanging out in the parks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Towsey-French</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Towsey-French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good comments, steve r.  i&#039;m a firm believer that the bicycle is a true social equalizer. the bicycle is (typically) affordable, accessible, relatively non-polluting to operate, and good for personal and community health. yes, you can spend upwards of $5K on  an over-engineered road bike, but a $80 1976 raleigh will also work just fine for 90% of the population. my comment about spandex and carbon wheels was initially tongue-in-cheek, yet indicative of the visual indicators that bring up comments like &#039;rich white people on bikes&#039;. on my trip to amsterdam i saw two racing bikes and zero spandex --among thousands of bikes. mind you, it was cold and rainy in early march. we `mericans will get there, eventually. all hail the social equalizers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good comments, steve r.  i&#8217;m a firm believer that the bicycle is a true social equalizer. the bicycle is (typically) affordable, accessible, relatively non-polluting to operate, and good for personal and community health. yes, you can spend upwards of $5K on  an over-engineered road bike, but a $80 1976 raleigh will also work just fine for 90% of the population. my comment about spandex and carbon wheels was initially tongue-in-cheek, yet indicative of the visual indicators that bring up comments like &#8216;rich white people on bikes&#8217;. on my trip to amsterdam i saw two racing bikes and zero spandex &#8211;among thousands of bikes. mind you, it was cold and rainy in early march. we `mericans will get there, eventually. all hail the social equalizers!</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had a great time at this event.  It was freaking fantastic to see the streets packed with bikes.  And no worries about leaving the Mundo at home, we saw two different Mundos (Munden? Mundes?) on the route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a great time at this event.  It was freaking fantastic to see the streets packed with bikes.  And no worries about leaving the Mundo at home, we saw two different Mundos (Munden? Mundes?) on the route.</p>
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